Background
The Thiel Family In
South Africa
Summarizing The First Three Generations
My grandfather, Hermann Gustav Thiel (1878-1948), the youngest of Gustav Thiel’s children, moved to Tanganyika in 1923 and visited us on only two occasions. The first time in 1937 to Wolmaransstad in the Western Transvaal where my father practised as a lawyer when I was only 2 years old. Ten years later, when we lived in Potchefstroom, I had the privilege to see him again but only for a few days.

1937

1947
I never had the opportunity to spend quality time with my exceptional grandfather. It was only much later before I realized that both my grandfather and his father not only had adventurous lives but also kept records of their experiences. Their unusual lives are exemplified in the epitaph on my grandfather’s grave in Lushoto, Tanzania where he was buried in 1948:
Hermann Gustav Thiel
Born 1878
Died 1948
His was a full life


These two photographs were taken a few years apart in the overgrown cemetery of Lushoto in Tanzania. On both occasions the dense bush had to be chopped down with pangas by Ingo Müller a great grandson of Peter Johannes Thiel, the son of Gustav Thiel who stayed in Germany. Ingo now spends part of his life in Tanzania and appears in the photo with his daughter Halina and his wife Margrit.
My interest in the family history was stimulated by my father’s two siblings who emigrated with their parents to Tanganyika while my father and his two other sisters stayed in South Africa. His brother, Peter, visited us on several occasions over the years first from Uganda and later from Perth in Western Australia. He had an excellent memory and on two occasions in 1985 and 1989 I recorded his answers to my questions about his own life and the life of his parents in Tanganyika. In 1961 their eldest sister, Corrie, moved back to Pretoria from Tanga in Tanzania. I often spent time with her to assist her as she suffered from the effects of polio contracted during childhood. She also shared information with me about my grandparents life in South Africa and Tanganyika as well as my great grandparents time in Palestine. She always maintained that her grandfather, Gustav Thiel, had 21 children and that a “diary” of Gustav Thiel existed and that somebody promised her a copy which she never received. These claims were confirmed when I was presented on the occasion of my 30th Matric reunion by one of my fellow pupils, Leonie van Coller, with an excellent Afrikaans translation of Gustav Thiel’s “diary” on his 20 years in Palestine. Leonie married Ewald Walter Thiel and made the translation from a copy of the German version given to her by her father in law, William Gerard Thiel, a grandson of Samuel Gustav Thiel, the third child from Gustav Thiel’s first marriage. Details of 19 children were given. Julia, born on 17 November 1855 had a stillborn sister (not included in my records) while Julia survived only 11 days.
Through my contacts with several family members I could gather information about the 19 children as well as the 54 grandchildren of Gustav Thiel from both his marriages as well as details of descendants in the 4th, 5th and further generations.
Details on the lives and offspring of each of the 10 children of Gustav Thiel will be presented separately but the basic details of Gustav Thiel, his two wives, 19 children and 54 grandchildren are summarized in the two tables below.
B. 9 Jan 1825 / D. 6 Sept 1907
The 19 children of gustav thiel
First Wife: Maria Catharina Grosssteinbeck
8 children
b. 1 Jan. 1826 – Barmen, Germany
d. 22 Sept. 1862 – Jerusalem, Palestine
1. Maria Christina
b. 3 Feb. 1850 – Latrun, Palestine
d. 26 Mar 1869 – Beirut, Lebanon
2. Gustav
12 Jun 1851 – Jerusalem, Palestine
16 Feb. 1937 – Johannesburg, South Africa
3. Samuel Gustav
15 Nov. 1852 – Jaffa, Palestine
25 Jul. 1921 – Modderrivier, South Africa
4. Wilhelm Paul
17 Mar. 1854 – Jaffa, Palestine
18 Nov. 1854 – Jaffa, Palestine
5. Julia
17 Nov. 1855 – Jerusalem, Palestine
28 Nov. 1855 – Jerusalem, Palestine
6. Heinrich Ferdinand
7 Apr. 1857 – Jerusalem, Palestine
2 Oct. 1862 – Jerusalem, Palestine
7. Julia Anna
17 Sept. 1859 – Jerusalem, Palestine
9 Oct. 1862 – Jerusalem, Palestine
8. Wilhelm Johannes
20 Jun. 1861 – Jerusalem, Palestine
3 Apr. 1862 – Jerusalem, Palestine
Second Wife: Anna Maria Catharina Gertrud Rausch
11 children
1 Apr. 1838 – Boppard, Germany
25 Jun. 1906 – Pretoria, South Africa
9. Peter Johannes
17 Aug. 1864 – Jerusalem, Palestine
2 May 1942 – Dresden, Germany
10. Paul Ferdinand
19 Oct 1865 – Jerusalem, Palestine
5 Sept 1907 – Pretoria, South Africa
11. Karl Wilhelm
2 Mar. 1867 – Jerusalem, Palestine
20 Jul. 1947 – Windhoek, South West Africa
12. Friedrich
15 Oct. 1868 – Jerusalem, Palestine
1Feb. 1869 – Jerusalem, Palestine
13. Ernst Heinrich
22 Dec. 1869 – Jerusalem, Palestine
12 Mar. 1954 – Johannesburg, South Africa
14. August
Apr. 1871 – Boppard am Rhein, Germany
Apr. 1871 – Boppard am Rhein, Germany
15. Christine
31 Jul.1872 – Barmen, Germany
Aug 1872 – Barmen, Germany
16. Johanna Maria
9 Sept. 1873 – Barmen, Germany
1968 – Nürnberg, Germany
17. Otto Theodore
31 Oct. 1874 – Barmen, Germany
12 Sept. 1943 – Nigel, South Africa
18. Julie Paulienchen
1876 – Germany
1883 – Kimberley, South Africa
19. Hermann Gustav
25 Mar. 1878 – Höltgestal, Solingen, Germany
15 Nov. 1948 – Lushoto, Tanganyika
The children &
54 grandchildren of Gustav Thiel
10 Adult Children
54 Grandchildren
1. Maria Christina (1850-1869)
No children
2. Gustav (1851-1937)
- Daisy Mary Maria (1889-1920)
- Lionel Francis Albert William (1889-1920)
- Walter Samuel (1880-1962)
- Wilhelm Robert (1981-unknown)
- Mary Ida (1882-unknown)
- Paul Gustav (1884-1915)
- Adolf Robert (1885-1926)
- Emily (1887-1918)
- Carl (1890-unknown)
- Ernst (1892-unknown)
- Johannes (1888-1894)
- Friedrich Gustav (1889-1976)
- Luise (1891-1964)
- Maria Margareta (1892-1926)
- Ernst (1893-1915)
- Gretchen (1896-1897)
- Hermann (1898-1961)
- Siegfried (1923-1942)
- Hellmut (1923-1993)
- Paul Ernst Georg (1890-1949)
- Otto Gustav (1892-1964)
- Johanna Hermine Katharine (1893-1973)
- Max Gottlob (1895-1984)
- Albert Karl Heinrich (1897-1967)
- Frieda Cornelia Luise (1900-1986)
- Catharina Maria Philomine (1902-1902)
- Charlotte Ella Maria (unknown-1951)
- Clara Johanna Ida (unknown)
- Helene Katharina Adele (unknown)
- Erna (unknown-1964)
- Henrietta Augusta Ella (unknown-1976)
- Max (unknown)
- Marie Johanna (1911-1983)
- Carl Gustav Ernst Weichardt (1892-1953)
- Louis Theodor Weichardt (1894-1985)
- Edward Gustav Theodor (1902-1942)
- Valdemar Otto (1905-1985)
- Vera Egenes (1907-1994)
- Arthur Rolf (1910-2011)
- Ronald George (1914-1978)
- Zoe Maralette (1931-unknown)
- Martha Philomine Johanna (1899-1900)
- Cornelia Pauline Philomina (1901-1982)
- Petronella Ernstina (1904-1995)
- Hermann Paul Emil (1905-1992)
- Leonora Johanna (1907-1928)
- Gustav Otto Theodor (1908-1909)
- Ernst Pieter (1910-2005)